My second letter from MARVA BURT

[Maddio]

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[PVchatAdmin]

More love from MRS MARVA

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From: Madeleine
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:02 PM
To: marva
Subject: Questions, Facts, Meetings

Marva,

That is a very good question, I am not complaining about Chuck Himelwrights work lots Because Chuck does most of his work using these lots of the good our community, he does things usually in scope with the problem not a freeway, he finished the job as tasked, I do not think Chuck makes very much money from the public using his lots nor does Chuck moves large loads in and out the gate for what he does here, and lastly Chuck has always been here since I moved here, this is business is new! If we let all lots become commercial and dumps then where does it end? This is a new full scale dump and storage lot for outside the community profit and not to our community benefit. The number one reason is to top it all off it is across from a neighbor who as had enough bad breaks, I do not think it is nice that it is across from an aged somebody’s home and obvious dump it is very open and messy, what does that do for that homes already depressed property value? This landscaper should do this next to his own home if it is so fine, then.

How do you know the dirt is clean? Your primary dumping vendor tells you so? it does not look clean – PVC pipe and bottles and dusty white chalks?

What "facts" I have read every letter and there are no facts, send them please. I will re-read every letter and post them up on the chat, then you find the facts and I will read them over and over. I am a broken record because what I legally want and deserve has not been presented. I have gotten no responses. No schedule, No plans, No Permits, no explanation, No Facts other than I am selfish and I should be happy they maintain the road, well I am pointing out you are NOT maintaining the road. Questions on why we need a new road construction, is dumping on the slide safe. These facts should be in the minutes for all to share.

Your primary dumping vendor is not allowed in my home, remember the restraining order he promised for me? He spends enough time in front of my home I am going to call him a squatter on his own lot that I figure he owns anyway. He has made my yard sunken and disheveled. He has buried my landscaping and irrigation and buried my children’s play ground.

I feel your primary dumping vendor has too much sway and power perhaps “favors” over the board in any case to have any chance of speaking my case to the board, I do not know the hidden agendas. I do not want to hear the board point out over and over that I should have “known” that there would be non stop dumping when I moved here. Justin lived her for 20 year with NO full scale dumping and we had real pavement, so humbug on that ridiculous argument.

I believe that it may be about 2 years and 10 letters, 100 dump loads, too late for “settled once and for all” or a “Little Chat”.

I would like a meeting but not alone and I would have it fully recorded and documented, and published with many other members in attendance, because sometimes what is said in meetings is just to placate the upset person then the actions go ahead without scope – I do not think this is something your board would commit too. But if you can arrange it and they will let me document all that is said and agree to that perhaps yes a meeting without your primary dumping vendor would be ok. Bring your Permits, Plans and Schedules, OK?

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[Maddio]

Marva,

Regarding your questioning me about facing a permit for my work.

I run a consulting business, I have no impact on the community, roads or even my property and I bill under my own name I do therefore I understand that I do not need a permit. Please stop casting about for a way to scare me quiet. Do not be more bully like.

So you do not like the fact that I am making waves for the destruction of property and improper land usage by La Forrest’s because then they will go after Chuck? The point you make yourself is Chuck does business within the community and for the community.



Please cease and desist your harassing inane emails they are pointless and threatening.



Madeleine McJones

[Maddio]

You can remove the content of your email here per your request but I have a copy in my inbox and I have provided it to many others, and I also have your first copy where you told me to "be quiet" or you would report me with city action against my permitted home as a "container" city issue. In this letter told called me several names and told me to take some drugs and put a mask on.

This is not how you address a neighbor who is rightly asking about years of illegal dumping on private land that is an active landslide and asking for schedule, permit or architectural approval to the correct community authorities.

This is the second time that when I reported to manage illegal dumping in the community I have received threatening and cruel email from a spouse of a board member, this dumping was not to repair even the contractor has now stated that, the road has NOT been repaired, if it is for drainage then please show the community where and when the drainage issue escalated to require a new parallel road be constructed on the active landslide that is on private property?

I am tired of being painted as the:TROUBLEMAKER: and against :ROAD REPAIR: for this is not true, it worked for a while everyone called my phone to tell me how wrong I am and I should shut up because they are saving the road and not to make any wave because the city will kick up out! but what I see is that the dumping continued the the road state has gotten WORSE. I was scared of all of your threats for one whole year, but no more, I am pointing out that someone may be taking advantage of a situation and endangering people by placing too much outside fill on an active landslide to correct a non-identified issue, for 8 daily cars, doing work non permitted, on a non studied issue of drainage or landslide abatement experiment or whatever excuse devised to dump.

You will no longer threaten me, or bully me, I will not turn away from what is wrong, unsafe and just being taken advantage of by the powerful loud people, while the rest community sleeps. To turn away is wrong, there have been no clear or logical arguments to promote the tons landfill and a second road on the active slide.

I am sure the first person who ever says "stop" to something wrong, is a target for such abuse or a gas chamber, but I feel I must be heard for the safety of all landslide homeowners to get this community a "per the CC&R's paved road" that is approved by a committee and not the 405 Freeway in a few more years. A paved road after four years, 2005 was the target date for pavement? See your community minutes please. No sand bags issues for drainage, no report of flooding....nothing but bad road getting worse.

[Maddio]

I am wondering what is so important about taking off of Marvas Letters, perhaps the content of:

1) The dirt that is brought in by HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED .... so you admitted in that email the loads of dirt was brought in by MIKE COOPER?
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2) or The slam on your neighbors property or was it the mention of the other dumper? " So and So runs a business, he charges for everything he does in here. He makes money. His junk lot looks worse than La Forrest"
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3) or was it the just plain mean name calling and casting about to black mail me into another year of letting you do what ever you want to roadsides EAST.


IF ANYONE WANTS THESE EMAILS forwarded, printed and emailed to them, just contact me..I have quite a few each one about the same as the others. Unkind, Threatening, and no real answers or facts provided.

[Maddio]

Today in WIRED and my research on the WEB contends that MARVA is not the copyright holder on her published letters - she is a published writer now.

Marva had NO aggreement with me to hold her content private- I have "fair use" of her insulting and accusing emails since they arrived in my email box and she does not have any control of the usage of these letter.

As grouse mentioned, the author of an e-mail holds copyright in the e-mail, with or without notice. Notice may, however, affect the damages one can recover. In addition, the potential market value of the e-mail (which I imagine in most cases is quite small) will place a limit on what one could recover, although filing for copyright will allow one to collect statutory damages irrespective of the market value of the e-mail. I am not a lawyer, much less an intellectual property lawyer, but is my understanding fair use may allow someone other than the copyright holder to make use of portions of a work, or even its entirety, depending on circumstances. As one might expect, this issue has come up in the past with respect to mailing lists and e-mail archives.

You own the copyright on anything you write. But it will be very hard to claim damages (that is, how much money have you lost because the email was made public).

I suspect that you are more upset about the information in the email (or the fact that you said these things) becoming public, rather than the specific wording of the email. Copyright does not protect you against this type of revelation. If you did not have a confidentiality agreement with the recipient of the e-mail, then they are free to reveal this information.

Unless the e-mail contained something you planned to publish, and now you have lost potential income, then I don't think the copyright approach will work out for you.

[Johnny]

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Yes you do have FAIR USAGE rights to post email content sent to you, here unless you had an aggreement with the sender as to the content rights.

-see that everyplace